Are you a Sam Harris fan at all? He wrote a great short book on the subject.
Captain Obvious
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Free Will - What a Joke !
by cookiemaster ineverytime i hear jw's talking about free will, i either feel the urge to burst in laughter or feel sick.
each publication keeps talking about how wonderful jokehova is for giving us free will.
the only small thing is that he'll kill you if you don't do exactly what he says.
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You got questions? We got answers.
by WhoYourDaddy inwhat is it about the jws that draws them together?.
group think?.
ambient abuse?.
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Captain Obvious
Hmm sneaky. Perhaps we become atheists because the same logic that brings us out of the religion brings us out of all religion. To just stop thinking after leaving JWs is to be willfully ignorant. If a person is to be willfully ignorant, they might as well stay with the JWs.
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Creationism or evolution, or do I believe in god
by moley inin the past year or so i've been completely evaluating whether i believe in god.
i studied marine biology at uni for the last 3 years and it completely change my view on evolution.
even when i was in i believed in evolution to a certain extent (ie the flood made no sense, the earth being 60000 odd years old etc etc) and this has made me question the existence of god.
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Captain Obvious
So what will you do once abiogenesis is proven?
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NEED Help before Monday
by Crazyguy ini noticed in a thread a day or 2 ago that someone mentioned a wt dated back in 1981 i believe where it stated that the policy of the jw's were that if anyone even thought a doubt about the jw's that they were infact apostates!!!
i downloaded the article in the 1980 8/1 pp17-22 and that was not the article.
can't find the thread, help anyone please!!!!!
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Captain Obvious
Goof luck with your upcoming disfellowshipping!
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Captain Obvious
Can anybody actually provide some "scriptural" evidence for this? What is the actual biblical basis for prohibiting the most natural thing?
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Is it Humanly Possible, that the writers believe this stuff?
by objectivetruth inas many of you know, whom have been in the org for a while.. the wt is hard coded into your mind.
sometimes, i will read a wt, to make sure that i hadn't imagined all of the ridiculousness... and then i read a wt like this : http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004168 (is linking to this legal?).
i especially enjoyed this section : .
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Captain Obvious
They don't need to believe it, they just have to force you to
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How did you tell your spouse you want out of the JW religion?
by leaving_quietly inwhat did you imagine would happen?
did they react the way you expected?
how did you bring it up?.
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Welcome TableForOne! Sorry to hear your domestic life is crap. Has she called down at all?
Jeff, your story is inspirational. Seriously a dream. But I've never heard the back story. What kind of JWs were you? What caused you both to start doubting and researching? Usually reading CoC comes after a while of all of that.
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Atheism and Theism are only partly right!
by abiather intoday we know that matter and energy are interchangeable, hence they are there always in either form, they are eternal, hence requires no creator.
hence atheism is right in rejecting a creator, but failed in providing any motivation for people to do good.
religions, in their effort to provide a motivating factor for humans to do good, introduced creation stories and other myths; hence they too are right (as far as their intention is concerned), yet failed in producing any worthy resultsworld was steadily moving from bad to worse and from worse to worst!.
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Atheism and Theism are only partly right!
by abiather intoday we know that matter and energy are interchangeable, hence they are there always in either form, they are eternal, hence requires no creator.
hence atheism is right in rejecting a creator, but failed in providing any motivation for people to do good.
religions, in their effort to provide a motivating factor for humans to do good, introduced creation stories and other myths; hence they too are right (as far as their intention is concerned), yet failed in producing any worthy resultsworld was steadily moving from bad to worse and from worse to worst!.
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Captain Obvious
I can picture a abiather now... Sitting back in his computer chair with a smug look on his face, half finished cup of coffee at his side. He chuckles to himself, admiring the full page post of absolute gibberish he has made.
Obviously he posted that garbage to get our reactions... Nobody could actually take him seriously! Literally every point is flatly false. He's loving this
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How did you tell your spouse you want out of the JW religion?
by leaving_quietly inwhat did you imagine would happen?
did they react the way you expected?
how did you bring it up?.
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Captain Obvious
I had been struggling with doubts and cog dis for a few months, hadn't been out in service for months and wife knew why. She had been very supportive the whole time.
One day we were at home, I was showing her some of the WT lies and she flat out asked me if I didn't want to be a JW anymore.. I said no.
Well.. She... Flipped out! I've never seen her look at me that way and haven't since. I've never seen her cry and sob like that. Her head was spinning with automatic cult brain nonsense, I could tell it just didn't compute. After a while she calmed down and we talked it through a bit. I agreed to take another long, hard objective look at things. She wanted me to speak with the elders, of course they could get it all cleared up cause it's the truth, right? After some talking she agreed that talking with the elders is a BAD idea.
Since then she has been great. She's still a JW, but was always kind of a badass one. She barely has a cult personality to begin with, and I honestly haven't seen it since that day. She never comments at the meetings, does max 3 hrs a month in service, misses over half the meetings.
I'm confident that she will leave the JWs with me, and I'm almost willing to wait in with her until she does. She just likes the pre packaged social life and doesn't want to mess up her relationship with her family. We don't talk about JW things often, but she does bring it up sometimes. She also still gets me to explain the JW doctrines that she doesn't understand.
If I could do it again I would have skipped that conversation altogether... The long game works better, and confronting the cult personality is almost always a sure failure.
